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12/6/2004 9:00 AM
 
Hi, We are in the process of replacing our admiralty brass tubes in the condenser of our Turbo Generator Set. Admiralty brass is very expensive and we are planning to use stainless steel 316 as a substitute. How is the heat transfer coefficient of admiralty brass compared to stainless steel 316 ? Thanks for any rely. SS
 
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12/7/2004 9:00 AM
 
Bob, The question you ask is difficult to answer simply...Performance of the condenser depends on many variables. i assume that the question you are really asking is --- How much will the performance of my unit be degraded by swapping the tubing with 316 stainless steel ? How much back pressure can you tollerate and still have the steam turbine perform ? Your replacement of admiralty condenser tubes with another material has been done many times before by various utility firms. New steam surface condensers that are typically designed for cooling tower water use types 304/316 stainless steel. The required condenser surface area is somewhat larger ( about 15-25% as I recall) than would be required for an admiralty metal design. In the 1980's, I worked on the replacement of steam condenser modules and feedwater heaters in a nuclear power plant in Maine. After extensive studies, the utility decided to replace the feedwater heater tubing with type 439 Stainless steel and replace the condenser tubing with AL6XN ( seawater was used for cooling) I suggest that you contact some of the steam surface condesnser vendors and ask about a re-rating calculation of your particular unit with various material options A good place to start would be the folks at YUBA, in Oklahoma www.yuba.com I can give you other suggestions, but you must tell us more about the installation, particularly the type of cooling water going through the condenser. my opinion only....... MJCronin
 
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12/7/2004 9:00 AM
 
Bob, Additional info.... Some tube mfr's advertise thier products as direct replacements for expensive admiralty metal. However, a major consideration in steam surface condenser design is the tube span "stiffness" . This is a function of the tube diameter, material modulus and span length. There have been cases where condenser tubing has been replaced with another material and failures have resulted because of new "flow induced" vibration problems See this article: http://www.bv.com/news/articles/jul04/cool_eye.htm MJC
 
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12/7/2004 9:00 AM
 
Many thanks for your nice reply MJCronin, Our set is an extraction-pass-out condensing set 14 MVA 2800 k Pa 415 Deg C and a maximum of 20t/hr of steam may be condensed . The cooling water used is river water @ 22 Deg C. Thks. Bob
 
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12/29/2004 9:00 AM
 
The experts in the industry are Thermal Engineering Interbational out of LA, Calif. They are the largest condenser manufacturer in the world and will do an engineering analysis for you and provide data on surface area and back pressure conditions for various alloys. They do this work daily throughout the country and can supply and install if so desired. They also design manufacture and install "modules" which is a complete tubesheet to tubesheet replacement section. With newer alloys they can sometimes design a new bundle that will increase efficiency by changing tube diameter and/or alloy. You can find them at www. BABCOCKPOWER.COM and click on the TEI icon. The YUBA company previously referred deals primarily in feedwater heaters.
 
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