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9/6/2004 9:00 AM
 
M Haschisa Wall thickness reductino from 13 mm to 9.5 mm in some areas in Amine Stripper tower at the Carbon steel shell at the bottom This reduction is from 13 mm to 9.5 mm of a select band of 1 Meter above the ring support in Carbon steel portion (i.e, a reduction of 3.5 mm in 13 mm wall thickness - approximately 25% of shell material). This indicates that there is a tray dislocation leading to perferential gas-liquid impingement in Stripper tower at the Carbon Stell shell portion below/above the ring support. Tray packing would have collapsed in all probabliity. Reduction is sizeable. If vessel is designed to ASME Code, then you have straight reduced the safety factor by 25%. i.e, the safety factor is only 3 instead of 4 allowed by ASME code. Please check with the original code of construction of the tower. You have to inspect the tower at the next available shut down of the plant - preferably within the next 15-30 days time and rectify to build up the portions affected in the tower and also the tray collapse and packing rings collapse. Repair building can be done either by in-situ S.S welding or Carbon steel welding at the tower itself and stress relieve the repaired shell portions . Strip welding also can be done. Operating the plant with reduced factor of safety can be done only withh some risks . One way is to operate the plant by reducing the plant load or stop and attend to this problem and repair weld before further acceleation of corrosion due to rich amine - gas liquid mixture impingement. Inspect and repair weld at the earliest before the tower becomes a safety risk C.V.Srinivasan Nishi Engineers Pvt Ltd Chennai 20 India Sept 6 E-mail: nishi@vsnl.com/nishi@hathway.com >We have wall thickness degradation at lower packing tray >locations and up to 1 m abve the ring support. The thickness >dropped down from 13mm original thickness tp arround 9.5 mm >in some area. > >Although we got to strippers nothing recorded for the second >one. In the same stripper at the middle and top packing no >degradation detected. > >Would you please advise the minimum thickness reached and >what repair technics. what used to stop further degradation? > >Mohamed >Lead mechanical Engineer 3 >BG Tunisia
 
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9/9/2004 9:00 AM
 
To all, Here is a link to an an interesting report on the catastopic failure of an amine pressure vessel (an amine absorber tower) that was improperly repaired. After the explosion, the top portion of the vesssel was propelled 1 km.... http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/sp958-lide/350-352.pdf It is interesting to note that: 1) The root cause of the failure was improper welding and thermal cycling in a hydrogen environment 2) Vessels in amine service seem to me to require additional design and welding features not typically perfomed ( these requirements would be similar to the ANSI "K" standard for pressure vessels in anhydrous ammonia service) I would like the comments of the participants above on this article.... CV ?.....what do you think......???? MJC
 
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9/9/2004 9:00 AM
 
MJCronin Your above reference documents a very famous failure and resulted in the eventual standard industry recommendation to stress relieve all carbon steel equipment in rich/lean MEA service. David Hendrix The Hendrix Group Inc.
 
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9/9/2004 9:00 AM
 
M.J Cronin et all Your observation on repair and care needed for Rich Amine Stripper / columns. Thank you for your comments and warning of care to repair weld amine vessels by citing this publication of catastrophy in such vessels. I agree that there is a possibility of catastrophic failure due to entrapped hydrogen in amine rich stripper / columns before and while and after doing repair welding. You have rightly stressed this point. If enough care is taken while evolving repair procedure for partial repair of shell portions (corrosion - erosion affected portinos of the shell - which happens mostly due to tray dislocationsand resulting gas-liquid impingement on less inhibited shell portions) catastrophic failures can easily be averted. I was instrumental and we have successfully repair welded a shell portion of CO2 Absorber affected with 10-12 mm thickness reduction in a 44 mm thick shell of over 100- 120 square meter area in one portion of the shell due to tray dislocation and resultant carbon steel shell erosion-corrosion (due to gas-liquid impingement). First time we did with Carbon steel welding only which lasted just for two years. We did this first in 1978. The second time we did built-up with S.S the same 100 Sq Meter area of shell portion and successfully stress relieved at site without any repurcussion of hydrogen entrappment and likely consequential blow out of the vessel. After repairs we did not hae any problem since 1980 for five years before i left the plant. I have inspected personally the vessel five times after repairs - first with carbon steel over-lay and second time with SS over lay welding. All repairs were done in situ and the partial stress relief anneal was done with Infra-red pads meeting to code requirements and care in evaluating the post weld stress and after effects in such service. In this plant, the repaired CO2 Absorber tower is still in service for the last > 22 years without any major problem. - i guess. I had seen similar repair welding done in some other plant doing repair welding. In the other plant also the CO2 absorber tower is in service - i guess- for more than 12-15 years. In both the plants costly replacement of towers did not take place and the vessels are still in service after successful repairs for more than 12- 24 years - i guess. It is important to develop a welding procedure taking into account the design code, process parameters (hydrogen absorption /adsorbption), the likely stress on the shell portions due to welding, the likely relief from stress relief anneal (in-situ stress relieving in the tower itself), the likely distortin in shell during and after welding partial portions in a large tall tower etc. I have reasons to believe catastrophic failures can easily be avoided in such vessels - with care and well developed procedure - taking the metallurgy, corrosion, process and design engineering aspects. Any attempt done without these may lead to catastrophy as mentioned in your web site. I will go through this article - which i am not aware so far. Thanks for the input. Trust this helps and also answer your questions. C.V.Srinivasan Nishi Engineers Pvt Ltd Chennai 20 India E-mail:nishi@vsnl.com/nishi@hathway.com Sept 10,2004 >To all, > >Here is a link to an an interesting report on the catastopic >failure of an amine pressure vessel (an amine absorber >tower) that was improperly repaired. After the explosion, >the top portion of the vesssel was propelled 1 km.... > >http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/sp958-lide/350-352.pdf > >It is interesting to note that: > >1) The root cause of the failure was improper welding and >thermal cycling in a hydrogen environment > >2) Vessels in amine service seem to me to require >additional design and welding features not typically >perfomed ( these requirements would be similar to the ANSI >"K" standard for pressure vessels in anhydrous ammonia >service) > >I would like the comments of the participants above on this >article.... > >CV ?.....what do you think......???? > >MJC
 
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