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HomeHomeDiscussionsDiscussionsGeneral Corrosi...General Corrosi...Elgiloy & Chromium Oxide ContaminationElgiloy & Chromium Oxide Contamination
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12/22/2004 9:00 AM
 
We are currently CNC machining a small Elgiloy pellet (.550"dia x .060 thk). After our vacuum annealing process and cleaning process's we are seeing the formation of Chromium Oxide only in the machined areas of the pellet. This contamination was EDaX confirmed as Chromium Oxide and is spuratic in formation on the pellets. We machine approximately 3k pellets/month and it's only the occasional batch that has contamination with sometimes three or four months with no contamination found. The question I have is: How is this oxide forming? I've checked pellets post machining, post cleaning, post annealing and there is no appearance of contamination on many lot's monitored. When the contamination is found, temperature and vacuum profiles appear normal. My first thought was during the annealing process the pellets are out-gassing and the oxide is forming. When contaminated runs were checked against their annealing profiles, no outgassing was noticed. Any suggestions on how this oxide is forming? I can provide addition information and pictures of the contamination as requested. Thanks,
 
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12/24/2004 9:00 AM
 
Andrew: Your question is a tough one in the context of a discussion forum. However, as a wild guess, Elgiloy includes 20% Cr, sufficient to naturally form a chromium oxide film, given sufficient oxygen potential. Perhaps a thicker oxide is forming on the machined surfaces due to heat buildup from the machining process. Hope this helps! David Hendrix The Hendrix Group Inc.
 
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1/4/2005 9:00 AM
 
Andrew, How are you quenching your components? Are you back filling?
 
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1/4/2005 9:00 AM
 
Dave, Below is our annealing process: (1) Vacuum < 5 microns Hg. (2) Warm up from 1000F to 2130 F in less than 40 minutes. (3) Hold in range from 2130F to 2160F for 6 - 8 minutes. (4) Quench in Argon gas from 2130F to 1000F in less than 6 minutes. (5) Quench in Argon gas from 1000F to 400F in less than 10 minutes. We run 2500 parts at a time in one dedicated oven (each part is about the size of a quarter and .060" thk.) Our contamination issue only happens about 3-4 times a year yet when it does appear, a whole lot of 4k to 6k parts have to go through an expensive chrome-etch rework process to clean up. Again, the contamination is only in the conventional machined areas. We wire EDM a feature on this coin after our annealing process and this feature has never had any chrome-oxide contamination on it. This kind-of explains why the focus of my investigation has been on our annealing process and a possible outgassing or heat scale forming on the elgiloy material. Thanks for your help/suggestions, Andrew Waldow RBA-500 Manufacturing Engineer Defense & Space Electrical Systems - Redmond Phone: (425) 242-2598 Fax: 425-885-8115 andrew.waldow@honeywell.com
 
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7/4/2005 9:00 AM
 
Hi Andrew, I happened to chance across your message on chromium oxide contamination on elgiloy. We have recently encountered something similar. We have been heat treating small cylindrical bars of elgilloy at 527oC for 5 hrs in vacuum. We have seen brownish discoloration on the bars which may be chromium oxide (EDAX not done). My question is: a) Could you identify why chromium oxide is forming on your elgiloy pellets? b) Our bars will be used for torsion spring applications and they have do 1e9 bending cycles in space. Can the chromium oxide be etched off and the mechanical properties of elgiloy be retained? Can anybody else help me find the answers? Ivan Saha Scientist Indian Space Research Organization Bangalore, India Ph: +91 80 28371286 / 87 Fax: +91 80 28390262 email: isaha@leosisro.com
 
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