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6/24/2005 9:00 AM
 
Good morning, At our over head line the naphtha product enters to the fin fan condenser (martial here is carbon steel) and there was frequently pin hole leaks at the naphtha entering and at some location inside the tubes. Because is hard to predict the dew point that make the corrosion serious at the condenser tubes there was recommended to install tubes insert to avoid corrosion and erosion also, I am wondering regarding the chemical treatment at the over head line do no protect the condenser tubes (neutralizer amine and flimer amine). Any comments. In the other refiners what the procedure the corrosion Engineer follows to control the crude unit over head line and fins fan tubes. Thanks and have a good luck
 
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6/25/2005 9:00 AM
 
Dear Mark Mor, Are we discussing the same crude distillation where high corrosion of CPT, O/H corrosion etc. have been observed ? If it is so, in that case, the high erosion-corrosion is expected in the O/H lines/exchangers as well. Regards Chakra
 
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6/27/2005 9:00 AM
 
On top of overhead CDU as pH increases toward the neutral region the concentration of bisulphide ion in solution increases. It has been demonstrated by several investigators that there is a sharp increase to the rate of corrosion in the region of pH 6.8 to 7.3. The sharp increase in corrosion rate is apparently the result of faster reduction of bisulphide ions both from the scale lattice and solution. As the scale lattice is altered FeS is released, exposing unreacted iron, and the FeS enters the water phase. In a crude unit this phenomena is recognized as “black water”. The dissociation of H2S in HS- and S++ is minimum at 5 pH. A good and proper water wash would probably be the key to minimize corrosion problems on overhead distillation units. The quality of water wash is very important. In our crude unit we use continuous water washing of the overhead air coolers. The water from the dessalters is refluxed through a feed water drum to the inlet nozzles of air coolers header boxes. When water is saturated and chloride contents on overhead drum are above 50 PPM we empty the feed water drum and we add make up water. The standard wash water quality should be as fallows: Ph – 5.5-7.5 Total hardness- < or = 50PPM Total HCO3- and CO3- content < or = 50PPM Ammonium hydrosulphide (NH4HS) < or = 100PPM Chloride < or = 2000PPM Sulphate < or = 200PPM Oxygen < or = 1PPM Some years ago because of ammonium chloride under deposit corrosion and difficulties in stabilizing pH we give up injecting liquid NH3, we start controlling Ph with a neutralize inhibitor up stream overhead air coolers. On overhead line of the column we have a corrosion inhibitor injection. Down stream of dessalters we have a caustic injection to neutralize the chlorides. This caustic injection should be as much as possible stequiometric, we should inject caustic OHNA in the same proportion of the salts we have at dessalters outlet. The caustic injection is to form sodium chloride salts at dessalters outlet and not to control PH. The caustic limit injection of 12 PPM of OHNA at dessalters outlet is to avoid caustic embritllement downstream dessalters equipment. The caustic injection should be performed through a proper quill. From times to times is important to check quill condiction. Regards Luis Marques
 
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6/28/2005 9:00 AM
 
Dear Lima How you control adding the caustic to the desalter outlet I mean if the CL at the over head is high are you inject more caustic I think the answer is yes so, until to what period this addition stay Are you monitor the Cl amount again in order to return you caustic injection back to the normal dosage. Caustic injection cause fouling at the preheat if the it is over dosage .Is their any idea or design to control the caustic injection at the ph 8 to avoid caustic build up at your preheat .Many operation at the refinery crude unit notice that if the caustic injection over dosing (because the Cl is starting to be high at the over head column) the pressure drop at the preheat increase more and more and dramatically indicate this caustic injection cause fouling but at normal operation with caustic injection control the pressure drop is very normal. Lima could you please tell us what is your operation best practice when the Cl lever at the over head control arise up and becomes over target above 30 ppm. You know the high Cl amount is the reason force the operation to loss the caustic injection proper dosing we know the operation control the caustic dosing but the high Cl make them loss their control. Thanks And have a good luck
 
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6/28/2005 9:00 AM
 
Hi This caustic injection should be as much as possible stequiometric, we should inject caustic OHNA in the same proportion of the salts we have at dessalters outlet Are you have caustic addtion equation . Thanks for your support
 
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