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7/15/2005 9:00 AM
 
Para 3.7.4 calls for Thermal Stress Relief i.e. PWHT (as per note of para 3.7.3). Please comment for requirement or no-requirement of PWHT for shell plate to shell plate vertical and horizontal welds having metal thickness greater than & equal to 3/4" for Carbon Steel standard Plate MOC
 
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7/15/2005 9:00 AM
 
Debasis: You might help our members and visitors understand para. 3.7.4 of what document? David Hendrix The Hendrix Group Inc.
 
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7/15/2005 9:00 AM
 
Debasis I do not have the latest API 650 standard to refer and clarify your doubts. My information may be outdated and may not be latest code rules if the API code had been upgraded to reduce to 0.75" thickness onwwards. Para 3.7.4 - you are referring - for PWHT for Group I, II, III or III A speficies that shell plate exceeding 1" thickness - whether it is branch connection, whether shell to shell plate connection requires PWHT except for flange to neck or man-way neck attachments provided the weld is outside the reinforcement. Since your question is related to Group I / II (Carbon Steel material), i guess, you can safely assume that 3/4" thickness is probably may not come and could be exempt from PWHT criteria provided enough pre-heat is applied and the weld is allowed to cool not too rapidly after welding. Please note that my information, posted here , is not on latest API 650 requirements. If API had revised to reduce the thickness to 3/4" (0.75") you have to adhere to this requirement of PWHT for any joint of thickness 0.75" (3/4") - shell to shell plate bottom weld joints (vertical and horizontal).for PWHT. Please note that the same will change when applied to Group IV, IV A, V or VI for opening connections or reinforcement and the strict need to do PWHT even at 0.5" (1/2") thickness. Trust this is of help to you C.V.Srinivasan Nishi Engineers Pvt Ltd Chennai India July 16 E-amil: nishi@vsnl.com >Para 3.7.4 calls for Thermal Stress Relief i.e. PWHT (as per >note of para 3.7.3). >Please comment for requirement or no-requirement of PWHT for >shell plate to shell plate vertical and horizontal welds >having metal thickness greater than & equal to 3/4" for >Carbon Steel standard Plate MOC
 
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7/16/2005 9:00 AM
 
Thanks Mr. Srinivasan. I am referring to API 650; Ninth Edition; July 1993 - para 3.7.4.3 states --- QUOTE When the shell material is Group I, II, III or IIIA, all opening connections 12 incjes or larger in nominal diameter in a shell plate or thickned insert plate more than 1 inch thick shall be prefabricated into the shell plate or thickned insert plate , and the prefabricated assembly shall be thermally stress relieved at a temperature of 1100 degF - 1200 degF for 1 hour per inch thickness prior to installation. The stress relieving requirements need not include the flange -to-neck welds or other nozzle-to-neck and manhole-neck attachments, provided the following conditions are fulfilled : a. The welds are outside the reinforcement b. The throat dimension of a fillet weld in a slip-on flange does not exceed 5/8 inch, or the butt joint of a welding-neck flange does not exceed 3/4 inch. If the material is preheated to a minimum temperature of 200 degF during welding, the weld limits of 5/8 inch and 3/4 inch may be increased to 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 inches , respectively. UNQUOTE Now the following clarification reqd. :-- <1> What is actually meant by "Thickned Insert Plate"? Is it make up door plate or is it including all shell plates more than 1 inch. thickness or any other implicative?? <2> We have noticed normally leading tank manufacturer & designers does not refer to any shell plate-to- shell plate PWHT even for 30 mm 1st course thickness ? How to address this issue?
 
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7/16/2005 9:00 AM
 
Debasis: Please note that API 650 is a new construction tank code and 650 is up to at least the 10th Edition. If this is a new tank construction issue, you should comply with the latest edition of 650. If this is an existing tank, then API 653 would govern instead of 650. Hope this helps! David Hendrix The Hendrix Group Inc.
 
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